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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by Jeremy Fox</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some good questions for Elsevier, and a lengthy comment thread, going here, at one of the world&#039;s most prominent humanities/social science/general intellectual blogs:

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/21/some-questions-for-elsevier/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good questions for Elsevier, and a lengthy comment thread, going here, at one of the world&#8217;s most prominent humanities/social science/general intellectual blogs:</p>
<p><a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/21/some-questions-for-elsevier/" rel="nofollow">http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/21/some-questions-for-elsevier/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by The scandal of the Research Works Act and for-huge-profit publishers like Elsevier &#124; Sociobiology</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The scandal of the Research Works Act and for-huge-profit publishers like Elsevier &#124; Sociobiology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] something others have eloquently argued against. Jabberwocky has summarized a lot of the arguments here and another summary is here. In this post, I simply take a step back and consider exactly what goes [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] something others have eloquently argued against. Jabberwocky has summarized a lot of the arguments here and another summary is here. In this post, I simply take a step back and consider exactly what goes [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by oikosjeremy</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1784</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another nice post from Zen Faulkes, on why the Elsevier boycott may be difficult to grow and sustain, at least if it takes the form of people declining to submit to high-impact Elsevier journals:

http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/whens-scientists-and-published.html

I used to think that the &quot;you have to publish in Nature, Science, or the very best journal in your field to get a job&quot; ethos didn&#039;t really apply in ecology. Yes, having a Nature or Science (or maybe PNAS) paper would certainly get you interviews, but it wasn&#039;t necessary. And it certainly wasn&#039;t necessary to have a paper in any one particular ecology journal--there was no ecology equivalent of, say, Cell. Yes, you needed to have papers in good journals, but there were various ecology journals that were considered &quot;good&quot;--Ecology, Ecological Monographs, Am Nat, the BES journals, Oikos, and others. But with the increased competition born of several years of a bad academic job market, and the increasing impact factor of Ecology Letters, I&#039;m starting to wonder if that&#039;s not changing. So while ecologists might might be able to sustain a boycott of Elsevier, I wonder what would happen if someone tried to get them to boycott Wiley-Blackwell, or even just boycott Wiley-Blackwell&#039;s non-society journals.

Zen Faulkes suggests that hiring practices ought to change in order to address this problem. But that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother conversation, both about the reasonableness or otherwise of current hiring practices, and about the reasonableness or otherwise of trying to change those hiring practices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another nice post from Zen Faulkes, on why the Elsevier boycott may be difficult to grow and sustain, at least if it takes the form of people declining to submit to high-impact Elsevier journals:</p>
<p><a href="http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/whens-scientists-and-published.html" rel="nofollow">http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/whens-scientists-and-published.html</a></p>
<p>I used to think that the &#8220;you have to publish in Nature, Science, or the very best journal in your field to get a job&#8221; ethos didn&#8217;t really apply in ecology. Yes, having a Nature or Science (or maybe PNAS) paper would certainly get you interviews, but it wasn&#8217;t necessary. And it certainly wasn&#8217;t necessary to have a paper in any one particular ecology journal&#8211;there was no ecology equivalent of, say, Cell. Yes, you needed to have papers in good journals, but there were various ecology journals that were considered &#8220;good&#8221;&#8211;Ecology, Ecological Monographs, Am Nat, the BES journals, Oikos, and others. But with the increased competition born of several years of a bad academic job market, and the increasing impact factor of Ecology Letters, I&#8217;m starting to wonder if that&#8217;s not changing. So while ecologists might might be able to sustain a boycott of Elsevier, I wonder what would happen if someone tried to get them to boycott Wiley-Blackwell, or even just boycott Wiley-Blackwell&#8217;s non-society journals.</p>
<p>Zen Faulkes suggests that hiring practices ought to change in order to address this problem. But that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother conversation, both about the reasonableness or otherwise of current hiring practices, and about the reasonableness or otherwise of trying to change those hiring practices.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by Ethan</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that is a nice piece. Thanks for sharing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that is a nice piece. Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by oikosjeremy</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oikosjeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting food for thought here, from the perspective of a smart, knowledgeable outsider:

http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/from-open-gaming-to-open-science.html

Or, why Elsevier ought to take some lessons from the people who publish...(wait for it)...Dungeons and Dragons!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting food for thought here, from the perspective of a smart, knowledgeable outsider:</p>
<p><a href="http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/from-open-gaming-to-open-science.html" rel="nofollow">http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/from-open-gaming-to-open-science.html</a></p>
<p>Or, why Elsevier ought to take some lessons from the people who publish&#8230;(wait for it)&#8230;Dungeons and Dragons!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by oikosjeremy</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oikosjeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the old &#039;protests are fine as long as they don&#039;t inconvenience anyone&#039; argument&quot;

Well, getting shot certainly is inconvenient... ;-)

(Obvious) joking aside, I guess that&#039;s part of what this debate over the Elsevier comes down to--different people drawing the line in different places in terms of what &quot;collateral damage&quot; from a protest is acceptable. As I&#039;ve said, I&#039;m with you on this, as I don&#039;t think academics have a duty to review for any particular journal (even if they submit to it), they only have a duty to, over the course of their careers, do at least enough reviewing to balance their submitting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the old &#8216;protests are fine as long as they don&#8217;t inconvenience anyone&#8217; argument&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, getting shot certainly is inconvenient&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Obvious) joking aside, I guess that&#8217;s part of what this debate over the Elsevier comes down to&#8211;different people drawing the line in different places in terms of what &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; from a protest is acceptable. As I&#8217;ve said, I&#8217;m with you on this, as I don&#8217;t think academics have a duty to review for any particular journal (even if they submit to it), they only have a duty to, over the course of their careers, do at least enough reviewing to balance their submitting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by Ethan</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, the old &quot;protests are fine as long as they don&#039;t inconvenience anyone&quot; argument. I guess at least it&#039;s in good company, since it&#039;s been used against pretty much every protest in recent (and not so recent) history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the old &#8220;protests are fine as long as they don&#8217;t inconvenience anyone&#8221; argument. I guess at least it&#8217;s in good company, since it&#8217;s been used against pretty much every protest in recent (and not so recent) history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by oikosjeremy</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/27/why-i-will-no-longer-review-for-your-journal/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oikosjeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a nice little post supporting your goals, but opposing you methods Ethan. Illustrated with a rather, um, striking analogy: &quot;shooting the hostage&quot;!

http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/shoot-hostage.html

You&#039;ve already addressed this issue, but I thought the analogy was fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a nice little post supporting your goals, but opposing you methods Ethan. Illustrated with a rather, um, striking analogy: &#8220;shooting the hostage&#8221;!</p>
<p><a href="http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/shoot-hostage.html" rel="nofollow">http://neurodojo.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/shoot-hostage.html</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve already addressed this issue, but I thought the analogy was fun.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sometimes it&#8217;s important to ignore the details [Things you should read] by oikosjeremy</title>
		<link>http://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2012/01/30/sometimes-its-important-to-ignore-the-details-things-you-should-read/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oikosjeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shameless plug: I just did not one but two posts inspired by Joan&#039;s (which I agree is quite nice).

http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/on-seeing-the-big-picture/
http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/getting-over-robert-macarthur/

Anyone who admires MacArthur, or admires folks who admire MacArthur, will find the second one particularly, um, provocative. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shameless plug: I just did not one but two posts inspired by Joan&#8217;s (which I agree is quite nice).</p>
<p><a href="http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/on-seeing-the-big-picture/" rel="nofollow">http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/on-seeing-the-big-picture/</a><br />
<a href="http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/getting-over-robert-macarthur/" rel="nofollow">http://oikosjournal.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/getting-over-robert-macarthur/</a></p>
<p>Anyone who admires MacArthur, or admires folks who admire MacArthur, will find the second one particularly, um, provocative. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I will no longer review for your journal by Just Say No &#8211; The Ashburner Response &#171; I wish you&#039;d made me angry earlier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Say No &#8211; The Ashburner Response &#171; I wish you&#039;d made me angry earlier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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